The Underground

Hosted BySasha White and Nesim Vatani

The Underground is a weekly show about political and cultural events and issues. Co-hosts Sasha White and Nesim Vatani cover the topics from an alternative perspective, critical of identitarianism and groupthink.

Sasha White is co-founder of Plebity, and in addition to co-hosting The Underground with Nesim, she hosts Crossroads, a long form interview show.

Nesim Vatani is co-host of The Underground and specializes in American culture, foreign affairs, and the modern gender crisis.

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The Underground Episode 7: Media Watch — the Pegasus Leak

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In this episode, Sasha and Nesim are joined by Plebity writer Rozali Telbis to discuss the recent revelations about the spyware Pegasus—produced by Israeli company NSO Group—which is used by client governments to spy on journalists, activists, political leaders, and others.

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The Underground Episode 7: Media Watch — the Pegasus Leak

The Underground Episode 6: Big Tech, Censorship, and Capitalism

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The Underground Episode 6In this episode, we discuss the power a few big tech companies have amassed when it comes to who can say what. To have the power to silence even a president indicates a serious issue when it comes to a private company, especially when you start to look at the connections between the government and the tech companies. We discuss the way some of these companies appear to be state actors in some regards, and the need for genuine freedom of speech for everyone, a value which is being corrupted by the tech overlords’ desire for profit and power.

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The Underground Episode 6: Big Tech, Censorship, and Capitalism

The Underground Episode 5: Is Capitalism Amoral? with Charles Love and Wilfred Reilly

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The Underground Ep 5In this episode, Sasha and Nesim are joined by Charles Love and Wilfred Reilly to continue a discussion on capitalism that started on the Cut the Bull Podcast co-hosted by Charles, Wilfred, and Shemeka Michelle.

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The Underground Episode 5: Is Capitalism Amoral? with Charles Love and Wilfred Reilly

The Underground Episode 4: Sean McCarthy on the Deep State and the Liberalism of the Left

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The Underground Episode 4 liberalismThis episode Sasha and Nesim are joined by Sean McCarthy for a discussion about the liberalization of the left, the failure of the Squad, various assassination conspiracies, the careerism of the leftist icons, and more.

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The Underground Episode 4: Sean McCarthy on the Deep State and the Liberalism of the Left

The Underground Exclusive Episode 3: Arty Morty Part 2

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This is the second half of Sasha and Nesim’s conversation with Arty Morty. They get into a discussion of class, race, feminism, American foreign policy, our favorite TV shows, and much more.

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The Underground Exclusive Episode 3: Arty Morty Part 2

The Underground Episode 3: Arty Morty on the Social Woes of Wokeness

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The Underground Episode 3: Arty Morty on the Social Woes of WokenessThis episode Sasha and Nesim are joined by Arty Morty for a conversation about whether the entrenchment of identity is good or bad for minority groups, what they think of media representation of their own identities, what certain activists don’t understand about human behavior, and much more.
This is part one of their two hour long conversation.

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The Underground Episode 3: Arty Morty on the Social Woes of Wokeness

The Underground Episode 2: Israel and Palestine

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Episode 2 - The Underground
In this episode Sasha and Nesim have a conversation about the conflict in Israel and Palestine. Nesim begins the episode by providing some history of Israel and the Middle East, and then they discuss the events of May 2021 and share their thoughts on elements of the conflict such as antisemitism, the question of whether Israel is an apartheid state, and the role of U.S. imperial policy in the region.

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The Underground Episode 2: Israel and Palestine

The Underground Episode 1: White Privilege

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Ep 1 The UndergroundIn this episode, Sasha and vatani discuss the concept of white privilege and give their critique of the popular theory peddled by those such as Robin DiAngelo and Ibram X. Kendi. They talk about why they think the conversation is being steered away from class issues, and why identity has taken the center stage in political and social discourse.

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The Underground Episode 1: White Privilege